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| Piano Member (250+)Joined: 16:04, Sat 19 Jun 2004Posts: 350 |
Tomek wrote: Tomek what a journey you are having and what fun to walk part way with you. Keep up the good work. |
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| Piano Member (250+)Joined: 16:04, Sat 19 Jun 2004Posts: 350 |
Duggie wrote: Tomek wrote: Tomek what a journey you are having and what fun to walk part way with you. Keep up the good work. Why has no one else replied to our friend Tomek in over a week? Has this site died and relocated elsewhere ? I didn't get the e-mail 
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| Pianissimo Member (100+)Joined: 04:02, Sun 08 Oct 2006Posts: 120Location: Boston |
You are right, it has been quiet. I did see the clip and was very impressed! CONGRATULATIONS TOMEK!!! If and when you read this, please know that I, like all the others here, I am sure, are very happy to see you have made such an accomplishment. Good Job!!!
And yes, this site occasionally would appear to benefit from a defibrillator button, but in all fairness it's up to us to initiate meaningful discussions. Perhaps some of us feel a bit burned out from the infamous *passagio* posts of late? |
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| LurkerJoined: 11:23, Tue 01 Dec 2009Posts: 29 |
Tomek wrote: Does anyone of you used the steroid? Hello buddies Tenors, from about a month I have problems with the vocal folds. And tomorrow I have to sing in the play Fiddler on the Roof, the doctor prescribed the injection of "betamethasone dipropionate" -a steroid with Glucocorticoid anti-inflammatory and Immunosuppressive abilities. Several hours after the injection I could sing. I felt my voice changed, became powerful, as if my vocal cords are very thick. Without any problems I could sing the highest tenor tones, but after a few minutes, I felt hoarseness. The doctor told me that this steroid will work approximately one month ... Tomek This is extremely late response and probably no longer relevant to you (I kinda joined this site after this thread's popularity), but I hope this might be informative for others. I read an interview with Calleja in Opera News before he performed Hoffman , and one part he touched on was vocal health and use of steroids. His personal view was that steroids is only a temporary solution that masks the real problem, and will make your vocal fatigue worse and lead to some damage to your voice. The hectic and demanding schedule on some of the young tenors is probably why alot of these voices burn out quickly once they establish an international (but not truly established presence). So if this situation arises again, I would just not sing and rest because once your instrument is damaged, you are in trouble (you cannot buy a new one, like a violinist). And good job on your operatic debut. I am not familiar with the opera but I am impressed by your performance. |
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| Pianissimo Member (100+)Joined: 08:47, Sat 15 Nov 2003Posts: 124Location: USA |
Hello Tomek. Your clip was great, sorry I'm so late with this comment. My girl friend, who doesn't like opera, enjoyed your singing.
I don't know the opera or understand Polish. But your character's feelings came through because of your singing. I believe that good breathing is the foundation for everything. In this clip, your breathing was really right, and that was the foundation for the legato line, which in turn is the foundation for allowing the character and the music to sing through you. |
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| LurkerJoined: 09:07, Mon 08 Mar 2010Posts: 22 |
Tomek wrote: Does anyone of you used the steroid? Hello buddies Tenors, from about a month I have problems with the vocal folds. And tomorrow I have to sing in the play Fiddler on the Roof, the doctor prescribed the injection of "betamethasone dipropionate" -a steroid with Glucocorticoid anti-inflammatory and Immunosuppressive abilities. Several hours after the injection I could sing. I felt my voice changed, became powerful, as if my vocal cords are very thick. Without any problems I could sing the highest tenor tones, but after a few minutes, I felt hoarseness. The doctor told me that this steroid will work approximately one month ... Tomek Hello, I've been following you for a couple of years on youtube and loving it. I can't speak as a singer here, because I am obviously not as good as you. But as a registered nurse, I have seen corticosteroid injections effectively prescribed for joint inflammation (bursitis) successfully for awhile. But the research indicates that inflammation tends to alleviate anyway with rest and there is a risk of infection with any injection. There may be some placebo effect at work here. So it obviously worked! But I wouldn't do it very often, because frequent injections can actually inflame and damage tissue. I can't find any specific studies on injecting the vocal fold though. As for the immediate feeling of thickening and power, I can only assume that this is the oily base of the injection filling the tissue. What you would tend to expect is a reduction in size of the fold, since corticosteroids usually have a catabolic effect (they make things shrink). They're not like anabolic steroids which increase size. Or they shouldn't. I'm happy to be corrected here if I'm wrong, because I'm curious about it and want to learn. All the best Tomek. |
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| Pianissimo Member (100+)Joined: 04:01, Sat 04 Aug 2007Posts: 196Location: Chicago |
Wait a minute, Kirk. Are you telling us the needle is stuck in the voice (box) itself? If so, where? If you don't mine my asking. I had no clue. You bring knowledge.
Bob
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| LurkerJoined: 09:07, Mon 08 Mar 2010Posts: 22 |
Vocal Mechanics wrote: Wait a minute, Kirk. Are you telling us the needle is stuck in the voice (box) itself? If so, where? If you don't mine my asking. I had no clue. You bring knowledge. Bob Hi, I've never seen it done, but that is my understanding, yes. http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/jour ... 1&SRETRY=0 "In awake patients, 112 (47%) injections were performed by transcricothyroid approach, 55 (23%) by peroral approach, 49 (21%) by transthyrohyoid membrane approach, and 20 (8%) by transthyroid cartilage approach. Neither technical success rate (99% vs. 97%) nor complication rate (3% vs. 2%) differed between awake and asleep techniques. " (ed. ignore the percentages, they're for building up the vocal fold.) My vocal anatomy knowledge is a bit rusty  There are two bones in your throat, crycoid and hyoid. From the looks of the above, you either have it injected perioral (i.e. through mouth), between thyroid gland and hyoid bone (i.e. into throat) or between the cricoid bone and the thyroid gland. You would need some topical anaesthetic on the skin first, or it would be very painful. It's not the kind of thing that you want to do regularly, or you run the risk of scarring or abscess. A lot of professional singers are doing it though and it should be safe as long as your physician is very experienced and the equipment is sterile. Like going to the dentist and having a route canal done. 99/100 times the operation will go well, but there's that one percent chance you could get pericarditis.
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| Pianissimo Member (100+)Joined: 04:01, Sat 04 Aug 2007Posts: 196Location: Chicago |
My first thought when you mentioned needle was the cryco-thyroid muscle. From what I understand that muscle directly sets the vocalis muscle in vibration. But no matter. I can see my concern was not about where the needle is stuck; that it’s stuck at all. I swear I thought it was a pill. I could handle that. Well, thank you for your expertise.
Bob
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